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    • CommentAuthorLoOkHerE
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 1
    Apple announces Boot camp, support for booting Windows on an intel mac:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 2
    Yeah, pretty much
  1.  # 3
    oh my god. *scrounges round his newly empty account to try and get enough money for a mac mini
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      CommentAuthorc-unit
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 4
    I'm actually really happy my iBook's motherboard got fried for the third time, now I have an excuse to buy a MacBook Pro, yay!
    • CommentAuthorjeffbax
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 5
    Testing it out on my iMac now, wish me luck :)

    Not that its for anything but the occasional Half-Life 2 or Sin Episodes game or IE testing.

    Not a big fan of Windows anymore since getting my two Macs and will do my best to rest dual booting - Mac software needs support!
    • CommentAuthorLoOkHerE
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 6
    Good luck jeffbax... let us know how it turns out.

    Thinking further into the future: Well, if this is just the beginning, and Leopard includes some kind of symultaneous virtualisation (rather than dual boot, like Boot Camp) then what's the future relevancy of terms like 'Operating System' and 'market share' when Apple's machines can run all software (assuming Linux drivers etc also included). Maybe it's just an assumption, but it would certainly be a paradigm shift. Especially with web apps and all. Things are a changing.

    At any rate, this Boot Camp is a big announcement and I just bought a small amount of Apple shares last week. Happy days. It won't make me rich tho.
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006 edited
     # 7
    Whether I step up to a Macbook in the next few months will be entirely determined by whether they end up using the same crappy integrated video chip as the mac mini, or the awesomeTM one in the iMac/Macbook Pro.
  2.  # 8
    Yeah I'm hoping they don't skimp on the new iBook (aka MacBook).
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      CommentAuthornathan
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 9
    I am getting a MacBook Pro next month, but I don't use Windows. I have never had a use for it. I will probably install it and give it a whirl, but my entire workflow has been optimised for my osx apps.

    A great step for Apple though. I assume they will gain a fairly solid piece of marke share when it is all tested, working and properly released. A big step in the right direction I think.
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 10
    Does anyone have any benchmarks as to how a BootCamp-enabled macbook pro does in comparison to other core duo laptops?
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      CommentAuthorc-unit
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 11
    I've been follow TUAW.com and no mentions of any stats yet. But it was only released about 12 hours ago...
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 5th 2006
     # 12
    Yeah, but I have a strong feeling they'll be cropping up soon.

    I'm especially interested in game-related benchmarks...
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      CommentAuthorKosmo
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 13
    Now if they would just make it so that I could choose any Graphics card to my Mac it would be all good.

    It would definedly be bye bye to PC for me and my friends (we have been talking alot about hopping to Mac but the matter of games and gaming in general on Mac has kept them away from Macs).
    • CommentAuthorLoOkHerE
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 14
    http://www.afterglow.ie/articles_onecomputer.html

    At first I thought he must read this forum and pinched my title, but no, this is an old article (07/05) that has merely been updated to include Apple's BootCamp announcement. I must have read it before and subconsciously remembered it when posting here. Hmmm, the power of the subconscious mind!

    Interesting points, like a lot of his articles (see the one on ideas for re-designing the Finder/Desktop).
  3.  # 15
    I still fear it's one step closer to Apple leaving the OS arena behind and going hardware-only ... with Windows becoming Apple's new OS. Paranoid? Sure, but I'd hate to see the day.

    Sorry, but I'd prefer to be able to buy OSX for x86 and boot Windows off every machine on earth than see Windows running on a pretty Mac box.
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      CommentAuthorjtyler
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 16
    I love how the Bootcamp logo is a perfect blend of the OS "X" and Windows logos. Slick Apple.
    • CommentAuthorLoOkHerE
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 17
    Things are hotting up here. VIrtualisation beta already from a third party company. There were rumours of this a couple of days ago, and then Apple came out with BootCamp. Were they forcing Parallels' hand (and vice versa)?

    http://www.macrumors.com/

    DigitalLink: I don't think we have anything to fear there. Apple want to be a wholistic company providing soft/hard/ware. At least that's what I think, but I'm obviously not privy to any insider info. And have you seen Pirates of Silicon Valley? Even tho Jobs conceded the OS wars long ago, I think he wants Microsoft blood, rightly or wrongly! (That's a joke by the way, but I think it's more or less true).
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 18
    I still fear it's one step closer to Apple leaving the OS arena behind and going hardware-only ... with Windows becoming Apple's new OS.
    Thankfully, that's retarded, as are predictions that we're any closer to legit OS X on commodity hardware.
    • CommentAuthorjeffbax
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 19
    Yeah, so Half-Life 2 finally hits my Mac ;)

    Operation Successful! Best part, one installer for ALL drivers, no bloatware, just crisp as XP can be... cept the 40 or so service pack updates I had to get and the like 5 reboots :p
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 20
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      CommentAuthorc-unit
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 21
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 22
    Completely offtopic: I saw a guy today wearing a "C-Unit" jersey. I'd have snapped a photo but I didn't have my phone on me at the time.

    I'm sure it's a popular reference that I'm totally missing.
  4.  # 23
    haha. jersey.
    You sure it wasnt g-unit?
    • CommentAuthorLoOkHerE
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 24
    Sure it wasn't G-Unit, eiiighht!

    But I think C-UNiT just about sums up the gangsta hoodie posse a lot better ;-)
  5.  # 25
    :D
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 26
    Maybe, dunno. Coulda sworn it was a C.

    So, um, what the hell is a G-Unit?
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      CommentAuthorc-unit
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 27
    lol, it's a rap group. You can unit-ify lots of letters, p-unit, c-unit, z-unit, e-unit.

    It's headed up by 50 Cent, who is flattering portrayed in the picture below -

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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 28
    I am so totally out of the loop...
  6.  # 29
    that looks quite a lot like x to the z aswell. How surprising. Not.
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      CommentAuthorc-unit
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 30
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006
     # 31
    That cnet one made *no* sense at all.

    Photoshop runs faster as a native windows app than as a rosetta-translated mac app?

    HOLY CRAP STOP THE PRESSES.
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      CommentAuthorc-unit
    • CommentTimeApr 6th 2006 edited
     # 32
    That may be the case, as I try to avoid actually reading the articlesm, and just skim the headline. I have a serious case of internet ADD.
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      CommentAuthorKosmo
    • CommentTimeApr 7th 2006
     # 33
    For one, I think that MS is actually going to like this.

    Part one, they are constantly looking for new marker areas for them to sell their software on (hell, they used millions of dollars to actually build a hardware from the ground up just to turn it to hardware vendors for them to have new platform to sell Winnies for) and now Apple provided a customer base of tens of thousands of Mac enthusiasts.

    What is there not to like?

    Part two, they have money invested in Apple, MS actually owns some of Apple shares and when Apple's profits go up, so does their shares and share holders are happy (read. MS is happy).

    Part three, MS for few years now has seen a long line of computer entertainment professionals (game, movie and music professionals) migrating from Winnie to Mac or Linux. They don't care in what machine people run Winnie in, wether the customer buys Dell, HP or Mac, it still brings them the moolah, and actually, selling Windows as a separate software - instead of shipping it with a PC - is more profitable for MS.

    I predict that if things goes smoothly, MS and Apple will find a way to support Vista on Mac products from as soon as possible (maybe a version of iMac and Power Mac that has vista enabled DX10 graphics card).
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      CommentAuthorlech
    • CommentTimeApr 7th 2006
     # 34
    I smell a convergence.
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 10th 2006 edited
     # 35
    I tend to disagree with John Gruber on several issues, but lately he's been rolling twenties.

    ..."Regarding anything related to Apple’s strategy going forward, it’s essential to keep in mind just how Apple functions as a business. It’s not very complicated. Apple now has two fundamental businesses: selling Macintosh computers and selling iPods. And I think if you wanted to, you could argue that this is really one core business, selling computers, and that some of their computers are Macs and some are iPods."

    ...

    "And so that’s the prism through which one needs to view Apple speculation. For any idea, ask yourself this: Would it help Apple sell more Macs or more iPods? If the answer is “no�, Apple isn’t going to do it, or, if they do, it’d be a genuinely shocking development."...
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      CommentAuthorWallPhone
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2006 edited
     # 36
    That 50-cent picture reminded me of the dopefish
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      CommentAuthorpapoo
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2006
     # 37
    Viva la Mac.

    In reality, I'm sort of fed up with people thinking Mac is so exclusive, shut-in, and proprietary. Sure, to a certain extent, everything is proprietary. When I hear it however it comes in the connotation that Mac doesn't support anything they don't create.

    Wasn't it Microsoft who pulled IEMac from the shelves? iTunes works on Windows. Boot Camp if anything was the biggest denouncer that Apple producers were shutins. iPods support mp3, albeit you probably have to download it from iTunes or have some DRM approved signature, but still MP3 compared to AAC or OGG, (which when we think about it, are arguably better formats anyway) is a wide difference.

    I couldn't be more thankful for bootcamp. Right now, I'm stuck on a crappy compaq Windows2000 laptop, (cause I hate desktops) and I'd give it up anyday if someone offered me a MacBook, even if my old one has $5000 worth of gold inside it. I just want my email, my blog, and my WYSIWYG's.

    I'm the stereotypical journalist you hear NBC making fun of whenever some kid screws up the internet and gets attacked by a predator.

    "And then there are the informationalist pundits who just can't make it in a day without doing at least ONE blog entry".

    I take offense to that. =]
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      CommentAuthorKosmo
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2006
     # 38
    I love carnivores attacking infants, more so than douple coated teflon pans. And when there is Internet involved it just sweetens the deal to an extent of which words can not describe, I'll have to dance!
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      CommentAuthorKosmo
    • CommentTimeApr 17th 2006
     # 39
    If MS just decides to play nice with Apple Vista running on a Mac, wouldn't be so far fetched afterall.

    Sure there will be minor problems like:

    Would Apple add optional DX10 card option for every Mac, it doesn't make much sense in the Mac world since Mac games don't use DX10 and Vista is the only platform DX10 will be available, eventually the modern cards will be an option for Macs but would they add the option and crank up the price of their products just so that people can install Vista on their Mac and play Halo 2?

    Early Vista releases will be shite, not utter shite, but some form between steaming and tad dried up in the sun with a hard shell but sweet and juicy taffee inside (I'm not talking about candy here), how do I know? Well, let's just say that I have had the privelage of having a windows machine with the latest Winnie release and no matter how mature they became after a year or two, the first release has allways been a total bucket of shite. It's the way things go, it's as natural as going to war or mutation.
    So who is responsible when your Vista installation sets your spiffy new Mac on fire and rapes your dogs laughing while you cry in the corner? There will be some explaning to do where those bruises came from.

    So all in all, I bet Apple knows what it means when they dance with MS, but who would refure the marketshare!
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      CommentAuthorBergamot
    • CommentTimeApr 20th 2006
     # 40
    Hmmmm, so the new Macbooks are coming around the pipe, and Intel just announced their ultra low power core solo.

    Coincidence?

    EDIT:

    Would Apple add optional DX10 card option for every Mac, it doesn't make much sense in the Mac world since Mac games don't use DX10 and Vista is the only platform DX10 will be available
    Apple generally uses stock ATI and nVidia cards (Currently ATI), with custom drivers and firmware. When ATI switches their lineup to DX10-certified cards (and they will), Apple will almost certanly use them.

    And also, there's a huge difference between a "DX10 Certified" card and a "DX10 Compatable" card.
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