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hello,
idea: a news section, based on _one_ category and dispayed as articles on a duplicated discussions list ... ehrm newslist (a second discussionspage also with an extra tab)
this would be a kind of a integrated newsblog or integrated blog based on allready vanilla-inclusive functions and features, and it would increase vanillas functionality dramatically .
it would be also cool to have write permissions for particular usergroups.
anyone? easy? or possible? -
It's totally possible since I'm currently using this kind of extension for my forum. Steve made it. After seeing what he did for lansmash.com, I asked him if he could explain how to make something similar. He finally released an extension especially for this (maybe I'm the only one who have it, I don't know), which works quite fine.
One problem is it's still in beta and lacks several features. The other problem is Steve seems pretty busy, and I didn't get any news from him since several months. So I don't know what to do: upload his files here? We need to get his permission first.
So in my opinion, people who'd like to get this extension should e-mail Steve and see if he's okay to share his work here, or if he's still planning to finish it. -
hm, i just thought about a first solution for only now .. until somebody (maybe steve) release such an extension .
i just create a page and a tab with the pagemanager and i point the tablink to a category/discussion.
its not the real thing, but its a start :D -
edit..
all i need to know now to get a discussion-list-based newssection is how to exclude category_id X from the regular discussion and category list.
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As a temporary nasty little CSS hack, the Category list is easy. Just find the Category ID and display:none it ;)
Discussions showing up in the list... not sure... -
I've got a possible job in the pipeline which needs a news section, and a forum. I'd love to use Vanilla if possible :)
I like the idea of http://www.lansmash.com/ but would want to take it a stage further, so that the news section wasn't so similar looking to the forum. Is the extension for the news section publicly available? Is it still in beta?
Also, are there any other similar sites about? I vaguely remember a few nice ones, but it's ages since I was on the Lussumo forum regularly so I'm a bit hazy... -
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 8th 2007 edited
there goes my motivation to make this. I have been thinking about this since i finished the nuggets extension, and now Steve has already done it. bug him and get the code
3Stripe can u create a mockup how u would like the newsblog page to look like. and what features u want in it. -
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hey dude, that sounds sweet.
that project is actually leaning closer towards a joomla-stylee thing, so i'll need to see how it pans out and then get back to ya on this... -
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2007 edited
i have some mockups of what I want to do.
it might or might not be possible to do. I guess I'll know once i start coding it.
Really distinct style from that of a forum.
Instead of "Post in blog", I'm going for "Post as blog". So u will be able to use ur existing discussions and make em blog like, also u will be able to use ur existing categories as well.
Don't hold me to it. -
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Neat!
Well, this project is for band, so they would need media upload facilities and possibly an event calendar.
Would existing Vanilla plugins work for this kinda stuff? Image uploads, mp3s, youtube video etc etc... -
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 9th 2007
yup they will. It will have all the controls and delegates to make existing extensions work
Attachment will work. Hypothetically speaking
why don't u make some mockups. So i can design with those features in mind. rather than changing it after its released -
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Schizo, you rock. Your mockups look pretty cool.
So I guess you don't plan to use a specific category for the blog posts? Steve's code is in fact using a dedicated category, where everything you create in is displayed on a "news" tab. If you want to have a look at it, I can send it to you.
About permissions : the draft discussion status is a really good idea, but will it be possible to allow a specific role to see them, not only the draft's author? It would be really useful in the case of a collaborative blog. Some hidden comments readable only by authors would be also very nice, for example to tell others when you plan to publish your article, etc.
I was also wondering... How will you determine the number of characters to be displayed before the "More" link? Will you count the number of line breaks or something like that? -
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 10th 2007
I don't think i wanna do the character count.
if u want more use the more comment
<!--more-->
i believe thats how wordpress does it. they have a icon on the wysiwyg that adds the more comment
I have to think long and hard on how the permissions will work, and how to deal with draft mode.
In blogs, u have the ability to edit all ur blog posts via a administrative backend. When u save ur post as drafts ur able to edit them in the backend. Either I create a backend list for all the drafts in which case only the original author can see them. Or i create a fake drafts category. that the editor and admin can see.
If there is a better way let me know.
I was going to use a specific category, but since steve has already done that. my options are either to dump my extension or one up steve. I decided to one up him. hence i came up with Discussions as blog. -
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Sounds cool, the comment is clever, that's way more accurate and easier to use than a character count. For the fake drafts category, maybe you could have a look at Category Roles, or even use it as a required extension, if you need some more granular permissions (i.e. bloggers can see each other's drafts but can't modify them unless they are admins or moderators).
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Hi Schizo, any progress made on this project? I'd be glad to help you test it if you need some feedback.
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 15th 2007
no, right now I'm making the discussion Image extension for icouto
its almost done. depending on what changes he wants, i can start doing the blog. -
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Great, I'm looking forward to this :)
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schizobuddy
Why do you have so many options?
"format as blog post" yuo could create another link 'start a blog discussion'
"save as draft" why? maybe it just needs to work with google docs (publish from g docs)
"comment replay" why? yu already have sticky and closed discussions? -
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 15th 2007
Blog posts require a bit more thought, and preparation. They can be really long or short. hence, u require drafts. Most blog posts like product reviews and stuff are not written in one sitting. You need a way to save it and come back to it later on.
Comment reply will be implemented using closed or non-closed discussions.
"Start a new Blog Discussion" I thought about it, and don't remember why I ignored it.
Blogs have lot more options than what I have. If u think these are a lot, then.......... -
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By the way, it would be really great if this addon could support Discussion Tags. I guess it shouldn't be too hard since blog posts will still technically be discussions, am I wrong?
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 18th 2007
right now I have Steve type blog extension. with different formatting as shown above.
Discussion tags support will come later on. -
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- CommentAuthorhouseinprogress
- CommentTimeApr 18th 2007 edited
This looks cool. I'd love to see this happen and work with Discussion Tags, so I'd be willing to support anything that might need to change in Discussion Tags in order for it to work with your blog extension, MySchizoBuddy. I'd need to circle back and ask Hutstein to help with required changes (he developed Discussion Tags for me) but I think this could be a great extension. -
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 18th 2007
Sure why not.
right now its a start and it will progress to a full fledge Blogging extension. with blog specific extensions. Its a big project. -
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Well, big project and big news :) What specific blog extensions are you thinking about?
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 19th 2007 edited
You have the usual, "Related Post", "Social Bookmarking", "Pingbacks"
How did Steve solve this problem
When ur in Post.php and u click save. If a blog category was selected, it should redirect u to the blog tab and not the discussions tab -
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Basically there's no redirection. When you post something in the blog category, you have to go to the blog tab manually. But you're right, this would be logical to be redirected on the blog tab.
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This is a very exciting idea, hope it works out. I can't do anything but sit on the sidelines and cheer you guys on though!
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 19th 2007
Can anyone design how the Comments for the Blog will look like
or ur fine with forum formatted comments -
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It would seem like a good idea to maintain consistency across both blog and discussion comments. Why would you want them different?
Maybe intersperse trackbacks/pingbacks in a different colour like whispers. -
given the size of blog-posts it may make sense to give the option of toggling the comments on and off in the same window underneath the post itself.
another option would be to utilise whatever Janine does now by putting the comments into the forum, provided the categories would be in sync. this way you won't have the comments attached to the blog-posts themselves.
what i don't understand so far, though, is what kind of blog are you having in mind: a collaborative one, to which anyone subscribed to the forum will post? or each user will have his/hers own under the blog tab? i think, in both cases keeping the comments in the forum may be better. but in the second case you may want to consider the possibility of having two kinds of posts: the ones meant for public (i.e. forum) discussions and the ones which are either totally private (closed to all sorts of comments (and vewing?)) or may have comments but along the 'whispering' lines, that is, not intended for everyone on the forum to see... -
Forum formatted comments are ok. Yeah, you could add an option to toggle comments on/off, but I'm not even sure it's necessary to show comments on the blog tab. Steve made it pretty simple: you just have the number of comments at the end of the blog post, and clicking on the link lead to the full post in forum formatted version. What I found especially interesting in this is that blog posts are nothing more than "featured discussions". They still appear in the discussion list and behave like normal discussions, except the first comment is shown on the blog tab. This way people can still bump old stuff they like in the forum while new stuff is posted in the blog tab.
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CommentAuthorMySchizoBuddy
- CommentTimeApr 19th 2007
the blog capability right now is only for the admin, or whoever the admin assigns as a blog editor. Every user WON'T have their own blog.
I see what ur saying by having comments in the forum.Similar to Apple insider
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/04/19/iphone_could_turn_technology_world_on_its_ear_study_shows.html
scroll down and click on Comments link. It takes u to the forum where all the comments are posted. Thats how I have right now. -
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yep, this is what Janine does now. and here you have to keep in mind that people might not want to abandon their already existing blogs elsewhere once they get a fully integrated version, but may want to keep the old stuff somewhat integrated alongside the new one
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yes, but there's also a possibility of just crosslinking in some clever way, as Ø is suggesting and as squirrel has implemented with external blogs. you just have a link "discuss" underneath your post which brings you to a forum discussion with the title of teh blog post sitting there as the discussion title and and the summary of the blog-post as a discusion opening post with a "read on" link back to the original full-sized blog post...and, yes, there you only have the number of comments by the 'discuss' link. there is also a possibility of crosslinking the categories. so that in the categories archive (or smth like that) you have both blog-posts-titles and forum-discussions listed..
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Yep Schizo, that's what I was saying. And looking at your link makes me think the link at the bottom to come back to the blog is a neat idea.
Now I'm thinking about something else... How do you manage text formatting? The problem with Steve's extension is it supports only BBCode, and it's quite an annoying limitation if you're used to nice stuff like Textile. Also, will it work with some WYSIWYG editors (I guess it means it should work with HTML too)? -
'Every user WON'T have their own blog.'
Awww! That would be quite cool on some sites. Chaos on others I bet. I hope that's just an administrative decision not a technical one. -
I'm not sure of the interest of a personal blog per user. What would be the point? People could as well use something like User Wall and post on their own account page.
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The point would be that you could have everyone on the site writing the front page. True collaboration. Have a look at how Newsvine.com works.
They've News from Associated Press on the front page too, but ignore that for now.
Below that they have 'seeded' news which gets voted onto the front page by users, Digg style. Each user has their own 'Column' which in other words is a blog, but those can end up on the front page by voting or I'd guess by an admin at Newsvine deciding the post is worthy of the front page and voting it up there (rigging the vote).
You could just forget the voting part and leave it up to admins to feature certain blog posts. The chaos I alluded to would ensue if the ability to get on the front page was unmoderated - voting self moderates that to some extent. -
Ok, I thought you were talking about separated blogs for each user. In fact, since MySchizoBuddy's extension is permission-based, you can give all users the permission to publish stuff in the front page, so I guess it's totally doable.
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My advice would be to keep the core as simplistic as possible and rely on the extensions for complexities.
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Separated blogs for each user too would be nice. Why have either/or when you can have both. ;-)
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- CommentAuthorhouseinprogress
- CommentTimeApr 20th 2007 edited
I'd second the benefit of supporting one blog per user (at least as an option). We're doing that on my own Vanilla-based site...Houseblogs.net. Right now the blogs are externally hosted and aggregated on my site but the same approach could apply here.
For example, here's a 'most recent' view of everyone's latest blog entries:
http://www.houseblogs.net/community/extension.php?PostBackAction=Blogs
Here's how blog entries are incorporated into a person's Account page:
http://www.houseblogs.net/community/account.php?u=79
And here's a listing of all the blog entries by a single user:
http://www.houseblogs.net/community/extension.php?PostBackAction=Blogs&u=79
I think having these options would be beneficial to some sites. That said, I agree it should be an option and limiting the number of users who could blog would also be beneficial for many sites. -
- CommentAuthorhouseinprogress
- CommentTimeApr 20th 2007
Actually, thinking about it more these features could probably be added as extensions on top of your Blogs extension:
- One extension to add the latest X blog posts to a user's account page
- One extension to add links in the side panel to sort/filter blog posts (like Discussion Filters 2)
- An extension to allow filtering blog posts by category (like Mark's Category Jumper)
Leaving these kind of things out of the core extension would keep things simple for those who don't want the extras....I withdraw my suggestions above. :-)
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