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      CommentAuthor3stripe
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 1
    http://www.start.com/3/

    Now what does that remind you of?
  1.  # 2
    um...?
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      CommentAuthorlech
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 3
    heh, robbed.
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      CommentAuthorlech
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 4
    looks like a cross between the sbc/yahoo pages and google.
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      CommentAuthornathan
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 5
    THIEVES! :-)
    • CommentAuthorjonezy
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 6
    We're hiring engineers!

    Want to work on one of the coolest incubation projects at Microsoft? Are you passionate about technology?

    Are you jazzed about AJAX and DHTML? Do you look at start.com and think of 50 cool things it could do? Are you fascinated by fast, scalable, software? Are you excited about scrum and agile development? Do you want to take ideas from concept to live on the web in just a few hours or days?

    If you are an engineer who wants to set new grounds in innovative technology -- we want you on START. Send us your resume, along with answers to these questions (don't worry, we're not expecting paragraphs)
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      CommentAuthor3stripe
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 7
    mini, i was meaning i think they have ripped off http://www.google.com/ig
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      CommentAuthorlech
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 8
    I'm totally excited about scratching my balls in the corner cubicle while stuck in their warehouse out in the middle of nowhere while screaming at my monitor because IE sucks a fat one.
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      CommentAuthor3stripe
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 9
    i'm starting to dream of the Mac that i'm going to replace my PC laptop with. only trouble is it's taken me 2 years to pay off the laptop, and now i need to start saving again for a new computer. sigh.

    anyhow yeah, microsoft, idiots, not even going to waste keystrokes dissing their lame asses.
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      CommentAuthorMark
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 10
    I used to work at Microsoft.
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      CommentAuthorjsanders
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 11
    zing!
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      CommentAuthorlech
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 12
    Mark, how many times did you have to stop yourself from throwing the monitor at someone because of IE issues?
    • CommentAuthorithcy
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005 edited
     # 13
    that start.com thing is older than the hills. i'm almost positive it was around before google.com/ig

    //edited stupidity
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      CommentAuthorlament
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005 edited
     # 14
    oh wow it's been a month or so since i've used the Google home page - i like how you can add your own feeds now like Start.

    there's a bug on Google's though. expand all the categories on the left and watch the "Create a Section" link disappear.
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      CommentAuthorjsanders
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 15
    i'm not so sure...

    http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.start.com

    start.com/3 isn't even in there, but neither is google.com/ig
    • CommentAuthorithcy
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 16
    yeah, that doesn't say much. start.com/1 was launched in march and google.com/ig was launched in may, i'm pretty sure.
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      CommentAuthorjesusphreak
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005 edited
     # 17
    Oh, some of you are ridiculous.

    As a matter of fact, start.com IS older than google/ig. Microsoft actually was using it before MSN came around.

    Besides, if they copied someone WHO CARES? Google copied Yahoo's my yahoo approach, so its not like its brand new from Google, and I'm sure Yahoo copied someone else.

    If you look back at history, the people that are recognized are almost never the invidividuals who create something, they are the ones who took something an innovated on it. MS innovates. So go whine somewhere else about your anti-MS propaganda.

    I don't see any of you whining because Firefox is too much like IE. Why do you guys like it? Because it took what made IE great and expanded upon it and made it better. But its still at its core, a lot like IE. So why are people gonna hate if MS takes something like google/ig and makes something like it that is better?

    That's what drives competition.
  2.  # 18
    Now what does that remind you of?

    It reminds me of http://my.netscape.com, circa 1999.
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      CommentAuthornathan
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 19
    >> Oh, some of you are ridiculous.

    Cheers. I get that all the time.

    >> I don't see any of you whining because Firefox is too much like IE. Why do you guys like it? Because it took what made IE great and expanded upon it and made it better. But its still at its core, a lot like IE

    Are you mad? Firefox core is Mozilla/ Gecko. This is no part of IE in it. It is not even based on the IE rendering engine. MS keeps everything so locked up, there is no way Mozilla could get a hold of the IE source/ core to build upon.

    I can't agree with you that IE is/ was great. I have never used it. I dislike it. When the only alternative was Netscape, I went with that. it has always been buggy and behind the times. CSS and JS support are still in stone-age with Internet Explorer.

    I agree with you aesthetically, Firefox may look like IE (I don't personally care, as I use Safari, and other custom expansions n the AppleWebKit), but that is an interface issue. There are themes to chyange this. They are 'taking back the web' and in order to do so, they need not add confusion with a drastically different interface.

    Tha is my 2 cents.

    (keep the rants coming... this is FUN! Lucky it was started in Random)
  3.  # 20
    >>> Are you mad? Firefox core is Mozilla/ Gecko. This is no part of IE in it. It is not even based on the IE rendering engine. MS keeps everything so locked up, there is no way Mozilla could get a hold of the IE source/ core to build upon.

    I don't mean literally, I mean in the terms that there's a lot of similar functionality between IE and FF.
    • CommentAuthorithcy
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 21
    So go whine somewhere else about your anti-MS propaganda.

    whoa, calm down there, guy. that's what this category is for. random stuff.

    first, start.com was run by some isp or other before microsoft bought it up. msn was launched with windows 95. start.com was in someone else's hands then.

    second, i don't think anyone's saying that portals are a brand new idea made by google or yahoo. and stolen by microsoft. i think people are talking specifically about the very similar ajax-like features and designs of start.com/1 (and /2 /3) and google.com/ig. that's all.
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      CommentAuthornathan
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 22
    itchy got it in one.

    >> I don't mean literally, I mean in the terms that there's a lot of similar functionality between IE and FF.

    I see your point.
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      CommentAuthorMark
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 23
    Uh oh. Catfight!

    For the record, working at Microsoft was awesome!
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      CommentAuthornathan
    • CommentTimeAug 3rd 2005
     # 24
    :)

    What was your role at Microsoft? Developer?
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      CommentAuthorMark
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2005
     # 25
    I supported asp.net developers when Microsoft first launched asp.net.

    It was a stressful gig, but Microsoft was great.
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      CommentAuthor3stripe
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2005
     # 26
    ok to clarify my initial starting point for this post.

    i do graphics for a living so i can tell when something has been copied/borrowed, whatever you want to call it.

    google/ig was launched in may, at some point, i think.
    start.com/3 was launched june 3rd.

    start.com/3/ has exactly the same basic layout and functionality as google - centered seach box at top, 3 columns of info below, config options top right, and content options top left, drag & drop panels, blah blah blah.

    therefore this led me to comment that microsoft APPEARED to have borrowed some ideas from google. in fact i would go further than that and say it is a blatant copy of ig.

    sure, ideas evolve from one another, that is how things progress. but copying is more like theft than evolution in my book.

    anyhow, no biggie, just thought it was interesting to point out the similarities =)
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      CommentAuthorjesusphreak
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2005 edited
     # 27
    therefore this led me to comment that microsoft APPEARED to have borrowed some ideas from google. in fact i would go further than that and say it is a blatant copy of ig.

    sure, ideas evolve from one another, that is how things progress. but copying is more like theft than evolution in my book.


    They just don't seem similar at all to me. Do you consider 90% of blog authors "theives" because they use the generic two column layout? As a graphic designer, you should have the eye to see that they are much less similar than anyone is trying to claim. Basic layout? Yes. But virtually any site these days copies some other site's basic layout.
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      CommentAuthorFLC
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2005 edited
     # 28
    OMG, I have a forum that looks EXACTLY like this one!!!!

    FLC is no thief
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      CommentAuthorichigo
    • CommentTimeAug 4th 2005
     # 29
    there is one big difference for me between start.com/3 and google.com/ig

    the google thingy does work in safari
  4.  # 30
    likewise start is non existant on handheld
    • CommentAuthorithcy
    • CommentTimeAug 6th 2005
     # 31
    Do you consider 90% of blog authors "theives"


    no, but i do consider 90% of blog authors...

    nevermind.
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      CommentAuthor3stripe
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2005
     # 32
    Hmm how much Kubrick them can you take?
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      CommentAuthor3stripe
    • CommentTimeAug 7th 2005
     # 33
    You know I started a stupid thread like this on a Flash forum last week, and the moderator locked it because he said i was wasting bandwith. I was quite hurt.
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