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I was thinking about how to create more links to my site, and after months of work have came up with an idea to contact site owners at lussumo.. why don't we exchange links? i can offer you several PR3 or 4 homepage and inside links, and you would place my link at whatever site you own.... we could do this in a routine manner, like you paste your linking details and pages that you can offer, then someone else places your links and posts his details, then i see all these links and put them on my sites and paste my details and so on... this way we can significalty increase link popularity for each of us.... what do you think?
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This sounds something like the BlogRoll in WordPress. Sounds good to me. By the way, what is PR3 and 4?
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Google Page rank 3 / 4
so if I type in cat.. my site on cats should come up on the 3rd 4th page (correct me if im wrong) -
Sounds like an add-on idea.
PR is a bit more complicated than that... its the green bar you see in the Google toolbar, the higher the number, the higher your "popularity" as determined by who links to you. The number is a bit biased--one example is that for a while, Adobe had a PR of 10 (because of all the download flash and acrobat links scattered around everywhere), while Yahoo didn't, despite Yahoo actually being much more popular. -
Yes, PR is PageRank, and it is determined by the number of factors, actually, WallPhone, one of which is links to your site,,... PageRank is actually the Google's rank of the page, from 0 to 10... PR plays an important role in determining your site's importance and relevancy... the higher the PR, the more relevant you are for your content (two pages with exactly the same content would popup in google results differently if they have different pagerank)...
for link exchange, PR is espacially important, because (by google formal definition), a link from site A to site B is considered by google as a vote of site A for site B. And part of site A's PR is passed to site B, which actually increases site B's PR. this is why i said i can offer PR3 and 4 pages....
To learn more, google for "google technology" or "pagerank" and believe me you will be bombarded with information on that topic...
now, back to the topic... WallPhone, what do you mean? how can an addon help here? what would it do? if i can, i would love to help, but i have no idea on how to create addons, couse i don't yet consider myself skillfull enough in php..
edit: turned to html format :)
edit2: to see PR, download the google toolbar -
ok,,,, instead of elaborating on the topic, i will start:
here is the link that i would love you guys to post whereever possible:URL: http://newavessays.com
Title: Custom essay
Description: All kinds of papers for high school, college, and university students. Delivery modes vary starting from 6 hours. Satisfaction guaranteed.
HTML:<p><a href="http://newavessays.com" title="NeWavEssays"><b>Custom essay</b></a><br />
All kinds of papers for high school, college, and university students. Delivery modes vary starting from 6 hours. Satisfaction guaranteed.</p>
I can put your links to the following pages:
http://doberg.blogspot.com (entire site ~20 pages, PR4)
http://cosmoessays.info/links.php (PR3)
http://www.oto-studio.com (single page, PR4)
http://nol-research.com/ (any page, PR2 and down)
Does this make sense now?
IMPORTANT:
this "game" can only bring results if the links are permanent!! -
Sounds like a great idea! :)
I put your link on this page (PR4):
http://www.henawi.com/plug-e-favorites.html
And I would appreciate it if you put my link on PR4 too:
URL: http://www.ventswap.com/
Title: Vent Swap
Description: Share your thoughts, get inspired or just figure things out!
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Great,
I have added link to your site at:http://cosmoessays.info/links.php (PR3)
http://nol-research.com/links2.php (PR0)
http://doberg.blogspot.com (PR4)
If its possible, please change the anchor text of my link from the url to "Custom essays".
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oh, and I think it would be fair that on whatever page you put a link, please put a link to http://lussumo.com or http://getvanilla.com .. I think it would be fair, couse after all we must thank Mark and and the community in some way... .. what do you think?
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I can't add the anchor text for your link on that page because I'm using some silly plugin and it won't allow me to do it but if you still want the anchor text, I can add it on this page which is also PR4. Let me know, thanks.
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yes please... couse the anchor text is very important for me.. . i wish i understood the content of that page, but i believe its pure content, so feel free to omit link description if you like..
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Done! :)
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great... thanks you...... any more links from site owners?? guys, if you don't yet know that links are important for your website (unless its some yahoo, google, or lussumo or the like), make sure you read the information about it on the web... links are very very important in determining the popularity and relevancy and positioning in search engines... so don't pass this discussion, but join us and help promote your website and lussumo as well....
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I've never had a lot of visitors on my forum, but primarily use it for development and testing. If you want to put a link for me, here it is:
<p><a href="http://www.jwurster.us/Vanilla.1/" title="YouLearn"><b>YouLearn</b></a><br />
Ask some questions about what I teach about communications and web design and development and I'll try to help. This is also a testing sandbox for my Vanilla add-ons and others.</p>
I'll put your link in my Links section in the sidepanel. -
thanks,
ive placed your link at http://doberg.blogspot.com
if you want, i can offer another pages on other sites, but on this blog the link remains on all pages, so i think itsthe best option...
also, could you please change the anchor text of my link,, remove the description and simply have the title... thanks -
This proposal is a great idea, however it's gonna get awkward, confusing and difficult to maintain/update.
What is required, I think, is a data file (XML, text, JavaScript, PHP...) hosted somewhere central, then if required, it could be manually copied to local servers (to reduce the load). This central data file could be maintained by someone with a notification when it's updated so participants may update their local copies.
There could be a number of display options...
* List all links on the list (could get cumbersome if lists gets big)
* List a link from the list at random (space saving but limits exposure)
* List 5 links at random...
Just something to think about. I have a system where participants provide a small 88x31px gif with a link to their site. It is displayed at random with every page load. -
I was thinking about making a similar system to that where users would be able to add a link to there site(is that system in plugin form by chance?) and a template function to display a number of random links...
If ya had such a plugin you could add a rss(or atom, or just some method of returning an ad to an external site) feed too it so other site owners could "share" your users links and display them as well.
then ya could add the plugin here and have everyone add there vanilla links, plus you could also exchange user link sets with other vanilla sites with similar content.
from what I under stand strictly outbound links aren't as good as reciprocal links, but if they have related content there still usefull... -
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is that system in plugin form by chance? 
No mate, not in any sort of form, just some JavaScript that randomises html pages and displays it in an iFrame.
I know, I know, iFrame, ooooooooh, security risks, conspiracy theories... blah, blah, blah...
Posted: Friday, 24 August 2007 at 2:52PM
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@ Redi Jedi: one-way links are far more valuable than reciprocal links..
@ Wanderer: what you are talking about is a cool complex grand scale application, but what i offer here is an immediate exchange between us, vanillers.. plus, random links are a failure, because they only work when they are permanent
instead of thinking about what plugin or parameters this type of application (or whatsoever) requires, Sjeeps, Jimw, and I have already done the first step, we have exchanged links and added links to getvanilla/lussumo, this way helping keep vanilla free and supporting the community.... I suggest that instead of thinking about the app, please post your linking details and offer pages.. I am sure most of you guys run vanilla forums, and these are also great subjects to link exchange..
I hope for your cooperation. it takes 5 minutes and helps your site and the community. so why not go for it? -
last try,
guys, im sure most of you own forums and blogs, so pleas consider exchanging links... thanks.... -
I really do understand your motives crash_D. but your current method is sloppy and prone to broken/redundant links which will drive people away rather than encourage them to click links.
My suggestion is not complex nor grand, a simple common data text file that can be used by all in your group and styled as required on each site.
Think down the track for a minute when you have say 200+ people exchanging links and someone needs to make a change to theirs and believe me they will, it's already happening. With no central option, a 2-minute exercise will turn into a too-hard-forget-it situation.
There are many clever people here who could help with the format and extraction of data from the txt file as well as the CSS to display it.
One of the bits of data could be a tag for each link so you could choose to exclude certain links from the array, for example; exclude all links tagged "adult". The growth possibilities are endless once the simple structure is put into place.
A great concept but you need to do it right.Posted: Saturday, 25 August 2007 at 9:40AM
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@Wanderer: I like that idea. But I think you would need a central place for storing the information, kind of like Vanillazilla. Maybe even use Vanillazilla data.
Let me try again - word spew - sorry. Thinking of 2 things at the same time.
Using a text file to load the info into the sidepanel is easy. There are already add-ons that do this.
The other idea I had was that the forum admin link data could be stored in a central place like Vanillazilla or even on lussumo. -
I agree jimw, but failing that, a mailing list maintained by a couple of people to notify all when it's been updated should work. Individuals are then able to update (manually) their local copy.
Two reasons for local copies of the file...
1. To avoid someone getting stuck with hosting costs which might be considerable if it got popular
2. I personally would like to check for inappropriate links and if necessary, tag them so.Posted: Saturday, 25 August 2007 at 9:56AM
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@ Wanderer:
1. the purpose of this is to increase PR of sites, not to have people click links..
2. your idea needs thorough consideration; either i don't udnerstand what you mean, or you don't understand the nature of link exchange.
2-1. nobody in the "network" needs to update the links, since they are permament, once the title and url are agreed upon.. changing the link distorts the initial purpose in the first place
2-2. the purpose of each of the members would be to have their links at as many pages as possible, and then to place links in return. from what you say, the applicant will add himself somehow to the list (or apply or whatever), and then put the entire link list on a page (and indicate the url)...
if this is what you mean, than the idea is great, however, what if the list gets too lengthy, like a thousand links.. then admins would have to break them down into categories, which means that members have different probability of being in the links list.. the travelling or blogging industry, for example, would generate much more exposure than pottery....
the method of random selection of 5 (or other q'ty) links is out of the question, because it destroys the initial purpose... the links must be permanent, like monuments and urls....
I think its a great idea, and i will think more about it in the nearest future, and hopefully come up with an effective solution... help is appreciated..
right now, however, i am offering you vanillers to exchange links without this centralized system... i cant undertand why you guys are so discouraged about this, because what i am offering is a free promotional collaborative service... why do you think vanilla pops up in google for query "free open source forum"? because every forum (hopefully) has a link to vanilla,,, just because of links!!! .... i cant understand your passiveness, guys... you either don't understand the benefit, or own so popular sites that you don't need to increase rankings and traffic.... could you please clarify...
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Posted: Saturday, 25 August 2007 at 6:05PM
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remember that the forum is international, and we don't share the same frame of reference.... i don't understand what you mean by this..
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Ok how about this....
You have a plugin that can receive and send out sets of ads, basically just some manner of automated exchange, likely some form of xml. these ad sets are then stored locally some how, txt file, database, what ever.
then ya have an admin interface for placing the ads, setting which ads would be displayed on each page so it wouldn't be random, as long as the person didn't change there link somehow(this is bound to happen) it would be permanent. the search engine wont be able to tell the difference because its done server side not in javascript.
there will be some favoritism going on I'm sure, since each site owner picks witch ads to display but as you can see thats gonna happen if ya keep them all here too.
plus people can exchange them with other forums owners too, not sure if anyone would find that useful(since there your users links) but it could be nice.
btw totally unrelated links don't help your ranking very much, my site is about a club in New Jersey in the 70s... for some reason I don't think there are many forums out there that would have a large number of similar keywords for googlebot to druel over(unless theres a Bruce Springsteen forum out there), plus it would likely confuse my users to see a link to some forum about cars(for instance)...
You also get counted off for having too many links(I think internal links are excluded) on a page, I've heard different numbers for how many to have, 100, 50, 150...guess that depends on the bot.
Oh and I've also heard that the output of that plugin(the pagerank toolbar) is questionable and outdated(over a month behind) not sure how true that is.. -
ok, after my last post in this discussion, i have decided to make this application... i have begun to code a completely fresh php application, which i hope will be online in about a week... of course, it will be a beta test version, which i hope you guys would help me improve by suggesting features etc..
i don't want to generate revenue from this, the only advantage i see now is the popularity of my other sites which i would hopefully promote with this tool... i hope you guys would fun-test this thing with me...
also, just to enquire in advance,,, i am no designer, and i now focus on the functionality part, ratehr than design... i know i won't be able to design the application well... so, the question is, does anybody have time or wishes to draw several templates for this tool? i will cut the images and markup myself, all i am asking is a graphic file, if that's possible... when i finish the 0.1 version, i will gladly invite you all and you will see what this is all about..
technical aspect:
i haven't coded in classes, and currently see no use in them (or justify myself non-knowing them)... i use only functions and do my best to make the app expensible, so that it could be easily updated without the routine-like alterations,,, i want it pretty much like vanilla, but i don't use classes... (btw, if someone explained their advantage over functions, i'd be happy)...
and the final question, are you going to join the system when it is ready? i mean, join really, adding and posting links, etc?
final request,,, i know this may sound funny, but i would love to hear your opinions about my programming skills... i have laerned html, css, js and php myself, and never worked in the industry (expect for several site i made for myself and clients)... i am practic, and i surely don't know the termiology, the basic theoretical stuff, etc... (well, i know what oop is :) so, i have uploaded the current version of functions.php (changed to .txt) file of this future application, can you take a look at it and say something like "never do this" or "well done with this"? thanks,
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