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I hate posting updates on development here in the forum, because they always get lost in the shuffle. I should really set up a blog on the main lussumo.com page, but I want to devote all of my free time to development and documentation. Plus, I think I *will* end up using the vanilla framework to make a new blog - so I don't want to waste any time working with some other blogging tool.
I'm sick of documentation right now, so I've been doing some more work on the codebase. A few weeks ago I got this notion about how to speed things up in Vanilla, and today I did it. I thought it might give a minor increase in speed, but it turns out that it is a MAJOR increase in speed. Pages that were taking over 1 second to load here on my local server are now taking an average of 0.7 seconds to load. In my mind, that's a pretty impressive performance gain.
Basically, I made the objectfactory load classes on demand, rather than including all classes that a page might need in every page load. It's pretty neato! -
... bug!
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... found a nice bug
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so is that some of the .net reflection type stuff we talked about?
i think that is a pretty major speed increase... it should be really noticiable on some of the bigger installs! -
Yeah, jonezy - that's pretty much it exactly.
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so basically the software is now super fantasic awesome plus?
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hehe - getting there...
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Okay, I've been working on the styles and templating all day. I think I'll officially have to change the name from a "style" to a "theme", because dammit - this rocks. It's now way more than just a css definition.
Here is a screen grab of a style I've been able to develop with the theming system:
That may look familiar to a few of you :) -
Oh, and I'm calling that new theme "Mini Vanilli"
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CommentAuthorjesusphreak
- CommentTimeAug 28th 2005
Defitely looks and sounds good, Mark. Great work as always. -
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That may look familiar to a few of you :)
Who is testing this? Show of hands please.
*gimmi gimmi gimmi. I want to test too* -
- CommentAuthorMinisweeper
- CommentTimeAug 28th 2005
familiar? you what? it looks nothing like anything i've ever seen before. except the greatest board on the '.net
i'm glad you're naming it after me though. -
Oh shit man, it's o8 in a new pair of pants!
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"Mini Vanilli"
Is this a wordplay on the old popgroup [Milli Vanilli"](http://www.google.com/search?q=milli+vanilli)? ;)
btw: the theme look nice & promising! -
ah. I thought it had been released for the developers or something. everyone disregard my previous post (unless I have stubled upon a conspiracy, in which case, I want in!)
I was not around for o8, so I did not recognise it. It looks very nice though. -
I thought that was one river you werent going to cross Mark, that said, it looks hottz0rz!
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CommentAuthorunfortunate
- CommentTimeAug 28th 2005
That theme is dead sexy. Are we going to have to change current styles to use them with the next release? -
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if this is going to work like I think it will, we could possibly be redefining the entire stylesheet as we know it. Meaning, we could define our own styles and simply call in the namespace for the element filling that style. For example, moving all the navigation tabs into the sidebar area and using either that same style, or defining our own.
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Eventhough it looks good, I wouldn´t go for the classic frame style. I´ve always liked Vanilla for being different to all others, with its clear (google like) lay out.
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Techy, themes or styles via templates wouldn't break anything. In fact, it would only add to it. for example, this would allow you the admin to define what elements to display, and which to hide on your forum. From the screen shot that mark posted, it appears that either there are items hidden via css, otherwise, not present in the template. If it's rendered how I think it is (the later, via template) this is a bonus.
However, the only drawback to this is that one set of CSS style(s) cannot be applied to the same template "frame" as each would be defined for that theme and that theme alone. Unless there was a common template "frame" being used for both. So while there's many benefits, there's only a very few number of drawbacks to this. So I'm all for it if I can move around the underlying xhtml code being spat out :D
Another major benefit is being able to literally save some processing time to display pages due to the fact that you might only be calling one or two database items out of a dozen total, so that's also a plus if you don't need all that data. -
Understood, Lech! Thanks for your explanations
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only mark can answer the question for sure, because I'm simply speculating on what mark has in store. But hopefully it's something along the lines of what I've explained.
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For the most part lech is right. You'll have a great deal of control over the xhtml under the hood. There will still be one frame in there that you can't touch: the body control (which is a controlcollection class) will still have it's opening and closing div. Everything else will be editable.
@techy: Yes, that is an old-style looking forum I've made up there - but it was being modelled after an old forum I made years ago.
@flc: I know I said I wasn't going to go down that road, but I wanted to test out the templating, and I was too lazy to think up a whole new style. -
OH MY GOD I WANT THAT!!!!!!!!!!
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How neat is that.
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but it was being modelled after an old forum I made years ago
you made o8?
i've only seen mention of that site on YH.. -
- CommentAuthorMinisweeper
- CommentTimeAug 30th 2005
you didnt know mark made o8? He's the elusive nav! God of all meaningless forums. (give or take o8's predecessors) -
hehehe - yes, i made the o8 code - but the people made o8.
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oh and did those people make o8...
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It is a shame I missed the o8 experience.
I think it has been said in previous threads that Mark is not going to revive it, but from the sounds of it, it would be great to give it another go. It can run vanilla with Marks new 'mini vanilli' theme, which I hear is based on o8. -
nathan... if you only knew...
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I have heard it was a crazy place. As I have said. I would have loved to be part of it.
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There are still two o8 spinoff boards that I know of out there. They're private, of course, just like o8 was.
I have no hopes or dreams of starting a new o8. I've got bigger fish to fry :) -
Fry those fish Mark... fry those fish.
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holy hot templating, batman!
you do, indeed have much bigger fish to fry. i can't wait to get this installed.
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